"Jews" warn Pope over Latin Mass

EDITOR'S NOTE: The expected Motu Proprio pertaining to the traditional Latin Mass, if it ever comes, will be kosher. Solve et Coagula.

Jews warn Pope over Latin Mass

By Marc Shoffman - Tuesday 1st of May 2007

Jewish campaigners this week expressed concerns over relations with the Roman Catholic Church as they awaited a papal decree which could approve prayers calling on Jews to convert.

Conservative Catholics have urged Pope Benedict XVII to bring back the traditional Latin Mass, a Good Friday liturgy including prayers for Jews to follow Jesus Christ.

The controversial prayer, which was outlawed by the Vatican in the 1960s, reads: “Let us pray also for the Jews, that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ."

It was dropped as part of a move to improve relations between Catholics and Jews in 1965 but the Vatican is now considering reintroducing it to create greater unity within the Church and with conservative bishops.

The Latin Mass, however, could be reintroduced excluding the controversial segment.

Interfaith workers have contacted the Vatican raising concerns about the language in the prayer. The International Council for Christians and Jews wrote to the Vatican describing the paragraph as "profoundly demeaning."

A decision was expected on Monday but has now been delayed. [Papal Knight] Rabbi David Rosen president of the International Jewish Committee for Inter-religious Consultations said no news is good news.

He told TJ: “It is a reflection of the Pope’s desire to create greater unity in the church, the intention is not to set the clock back. We are alerting the Vatican that elements of the prayer provide implications for Catholic and Jewish relations.”

Edward Kessler, Executive Director of the University of Cambridge’s Centre for the Study of Jewish-Christian Relations recently raised concerns about faith relations after the Pope failed to question an Easter sermon by Vatican official Raniero Cantalamessa which focused on Jewish complicity in the death of Jesus.

Writing in Catholic newspaper, The Tablet, Kessler said: “It generated no contradictory response, even though it was published in the official Vatican press.”

He told TJ: “If the Latin Mass is reintroduced it will change relations between Christians and Jews.”

Sir Sigmund Sternberg, who has been named a papal knight by the Vatican, said he would raise the issue with the pontiff when he meets him next month, but he quashed concerns that the prayer would be introduced. He said: “I don’t think this will happen, our relationship with the Catholics is a good one.” [for who?]

The Vatican said it is still awaiting the Pope’s final decision.

Meanwhile, the Vatican has placed the issue of fighting anti-semitism high on its agenda for an international Roman Catholic conference next year. It includes a questionnaire for bishops to examine “attitudes of anti-semitism” in biblical passages in their church.


http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=6170

Walter Kasper's Mentor: Hassidic Philosopher, Martin Buber

"I mention here only the [name] of ... Martin Buber, from whom as a young student I learnt so much ..." (Walter Cardinal Kasper)

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/card-kasper-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20011123_kasper-jews-christians_en.html

Can Hassidic philosopher, Martin Buber be credited as one of the teachers of the philosophical error of immanentism to the generation of immanentists currently populating Rome?

What is well known is Buber's racist, pantheist (rebadged "panentheist" by him) understanding of Shekinah which he associated with physical "Israel" (i.e. "the Jews"). It would come as no surprise then that Kasper, after having been properly mentored in Judaic self-worship, would turn out to be one of the most valuable Judaic assets in the Vatican working in his capacity as President of the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews.

Religious relations with "the Jews" have been on the up since Kasper's appointment as any Catholic schoolchild can tell you after being lectured on the horrible nature of the Christian "teaching of contempt" (see: the Gospel) by an ADL rabbi, an ADL indoctrinated school teacher or through Catholic school teaching material produced by Judaic bankers documented here:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/01/judaics-preach-guilt-in-catholic.html

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/02/judaic-lawyerbanker-altering-curriculum.html

Kasper has spoken about Buber's synthesis of "interfaith dialogue" which has proven so disastrous for Christianity:

“Dialogue” is a relatively new concept in philosophy and in theology as well. It has its roots in the personalistic philosophy of the first half of the 20th century, especially in the Jewish personalistic philosophy of Martin Buber, Franz Rosenzweig, Emanuel Levinas and others. (Walter Kasper, Communion Through Dialogue)

Kasper speaks lovingly of Buber's diabolical "dialogical thinking"--change synthesized through dialogue--which is simply Hegelian dialectics by another name:

As Martin Buber, one of the most significant representatives of dialogical thinking, says, the truth is located not only in direct subject-object relations but in a “dia”, a “between” which is opened up between the dialogue partners and in which both have a share. Only in the “dia”, the between of a I-thou and a We-relation, do we “have” or, better, do we participate in the objective reality; the subject-object-reality is thus embedded in the subject-subject reality of communication and dialogue. (Walter Kasper, Communion Through Dialogue)

http://www.cmswr.org/nationalassembly/keynotespeaker.htm

With sublime Hassidic philosophical "truths" such as the above en vogue in Rome, it's no wonder that there's no longer any place for the clunky old thinking of St. Thomas.

How many of you knew how great the influence the thinking of Hassidic philospher, Martin Buber has been in the disastrous course the Vatican has taken in recent decades?

With that thought in mind, I have two questions for the writers and editors of Latin Mass magazine. I've seen that a series of articles has started in the recent edition of Latin Mass on the topic of the philosophical error of immanentism, the first article curiously citing virtually unknown "Hebrew Catholic," Ronda Chervin as an authority for the Catholic side alongside St. Thomas, Pope St. Pius X and documents from the First Vatican Council.

Will the Judaic component of the subversion of Catholic thinking be addressed as it has been here, or will it continue to be studiously avoided as it traditionally has been in the past by Latin Mass magazine?

If it is the latter, who benefits from that arrangement?