Hegel's Dialectic In Practice at Vatican

Latin Mass <> Novus Ordo Mass - Neocon Mass

Thesis <> antithesis - synthesis.

Italian Jewish leaders expressed relief on Thursday after the Vatican Secretary of State said the prayer for the conversion of Jews could be eliminated from the recently re-introduced Latin Mass ...

... according to ANSA, Cardinal Bertone said everyone could be told to use the third version [of the prayer], introduced by Paul VI in 1970. It asks for prayers that Jews, as the chosen people, "may arrive at the fullness of redemption". (Cardinal Bertone says prayer for conversion of Jews in Latin Mass could go, Catholic News Agency, Jul 20, 2007)

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9924

... on November 16, 1982, on request of Pope Wojtyla, a meeting presided by Ratzinger, then-Prefect of the former Holy Office, at which also took part Cardinals Baggio, Baum, Casaroli (then Secretary of State), Oddi, and Archbishop [future Cardinal] Casoria ... at that meeting, a document against liturgical abuses, identified among the reasons "for the current crisis of the Church", was also suggested, as well as, in a remote future, a synthesis "of both missals" [1962 missal and Novus Ordo missal]. That future is today less remote. The decision of Benedict XVI is thus not a step back, but a stage of the liturgical reform willed by the Council and not yet fully accomplished. ("Ratzinger's turning point on the liturgy - All clear for the Ancient Latin Mass," Andrea Tornielli, Il Giornale, June 17, 2007)

AJC, ADL Welcome Vatican Clarification

AJC Welcomes Vatican Clarification

July 19, 2007 - New York - The American Jewish Committee welcomes the Vatican's concern for replacing a prayer calling for the conversion of Jews in the Tridentine Latin mass.

"We appreciate the statement by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican Secretary of State, making it clear that efforts will be made to replace the disturbing Good Friday prayer for Jewish conversion found in the 1962 version of the Latin Tridentine mass," said Rabbi David Rosen, AJC's international director of Interreligious Affairs.

Following the Pope's "Motu Proprio" announced on July 7, there had been concern that this pre-Vatican II prayer would again be more extensively used.

"Contrary to those who presented the Motu Proprio, as a retreat from advances in Catholic-Jewish relations, this clarification in effect confirms those strides and even advances them," said Rosen.

For well over half a century, AJC has been deeply involved in seeking to advance Catholic-Jewish relations around the world. Rabbi Rosen chairs the International Jewish Committee for Interreligious Consultations which is the official Jewish partner of the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with Jewry, chaired by Cardinal Walter Kasper.

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=4143223

ADL Welcomes Vatican's Consideration To Remove Anti-Jewish Prayer

New York, NY, July 19, 2007 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) welcomed the comments of a senior Vatican official that the Good Friday Latin prayer to convert Jews could be removed from the re-introduced Latin liturgy. Holy See Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who ranks second to Pope Benedict XVI, told reporters that the Vatican could study the possibility of substituting the prayer. "This could be decided and this would resolve all the problems," he said.

"We are pleased that the Vatican is listening to our concerns," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "We hope that Cardinal Bertone's public conjectures will shortly result in putting Catholic-Jewish relations back to the positive mode we were in before all this."

Mr. Foxman added that, "ADL has no position on the Latin Mass itself. Our concern is focused on the Good Friday Latin prayer to convert Jews, which contradicts 40 years of evolving Catholic teachings about the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people, and the end of efforts to baptize Jews."

ADL has called on the Holy See to re-examine its decision to sanction the anti-Jewish Good Friday prayer, which is included in a new papal decree that grants wider usage of the Latin Mass, a worship service that has been restricted since the progressive reforms of the Second Vatican Council and the landmark Nostra Aetate document in the 1960s. Because of the offensive language, Pope Paul VI in 1970 replaced the 1962 Latin prayer with a much more positive prayer for Jews.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/VaticanJewish_96/5103_96.htm

No Prayers Necessary for the Self-Chosen

These people believe they are redeemed solely by virtue of their being born. Prayers from soulless Christian idolater trash for the eternal welfare of the chosen people are not necessary, and indeed highly offensive. Vatican authorities seem to be of this same thinking.

The question, however, is this: if these "chosen people" are redeemed solely by virtue of their "race," then why did John the Baptist preach repentance to the true ethnic Jews of his day and why did Jesus Christ target the same Jews in His ministry and die a horrible death for them on the cross? He must have been very confused. Thank God we have the great minds of the ADL and the Vatican to sort out Christ's mistakes.

Top Vatican official says controversial Latin prayer for Jews could be dropped

ROME - The most senior official in the Vatican after the Pope suggested yesterday that a highly controversial prayer for the conversion of the Jews could be dropped from the re-introduced Latin-language rite.

Speaking at a news conference, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone was asked about Pope Benedict's recent decree allowing a wider use of the old Latin missal, or prayer book, that was phased out after the reforms of the so-called Second Vatican Council.

Jewish leaders sharply criticized the decree, which revived the possible use of a passage from the old Latin prayer book for Good Friday calling for Jews to be converted.

Bertone, who is secretary of state and ranks second only to the Pope in the Vatican hierarchy, said "we could simply study" the possibility of substituting the prayer. The Good Friday prayer asks that God remove the "veil" from from Jewish heart so that they would recognize Jesus Christ.

Bertone said the prayer that many Jews have found offensive could be substituted with one introduced into church rituals in the 1970s and which makes no reference to conversion of Jews. (Associated Press, Thu., July 19, 2007)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883843.html

Rabbi Rosen of AJC Reassures "World Jewry" on Vatican Compliance

Jul. 14, 2007 22:56 | Updated Jul. 15, 2007 9:04

Mix realism with humility

By DAVID ROSEN

The directive issued this week by Pope Benedict XVI concerning the use of the traditional Catholic Latin (Tridentine) Mass has led to some extreme reactions. As a result there have been suggestions, echoed uncritically in the media, that there is some kind of new Catholic initiative for the conversion of Jews, and that Jewish-Catholic relations are regressing.

This is completely incorrect.

To begin with, the pope has reiterated time and again his commitment to close, respectful relations with Judaism and the Jewish people, which he has reemphasized as unique for the church, as Judaism and the Jewish people are its very foundations. He has already received numerous Jewish leadership groups, and began to do so even before receiving Protestant groups, let alone delegations from other religions.

The Catholic Church has rejected proselytism and since the second Vatican Ecumenical Council in the sixties has abandoned any institutional "mission to the Jews."

The church has not changed its position on these matters ...

We [at the American Jewish Committee] received reassurances in the course of the past months from the Vatican, and in the Pope's guidelines there is in fact a restriction on the use of the Latin Mass during the days preceding Easter, which is when the prayer for the conversion of the Jews was recited. Yet it is not clear how extensive this limitation is, and we have accordingly asked the Vatican to issue a clarification that we hope will confirm that there is no official warrant whatsoever for reciting that text ...

THE CATHOLIC Church has a commission to promote relations with World Jewry. Its primary partner is the International Jewish Committee for Interreligious Consultations, which I chair. It also has a Bilateral Commission with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, which meets regularly and has further strengthened ties between Israel and the Vatican. Next year's Synod of Bishops will focus on the way Scripture should be taught and preached in order to avoid any anti-Semitic or anti-Judaic prejudices.

All this shows that we have made enormous strides in these bilateral relations ... (Rabbi David Rosen, International Director of Interreligious Affairs of the American Jewish Committee, Jerusalem Post July 14, 2007)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184168563451&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Liturgical Alchemy

Traditional Latin Mass vs. Homo Clown Mass synthesizes neoconservative Noahide Mass where Calvary is blotted out by Auschwitz. Solve et Coagula.

Die Welt report that the motu proprio liberating the Tridentine Mass for the entire Catholic Church has been given to about 30 bishops from all over the world in the Sala Bologna of the Apostolic Palace by Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Cardinal Bertone. The bishops had been invited to Rome for that purpose. At the end of the meeting, in which the motu proprio was introduced together with a letter of explanation by Pope Benedict XVI, Pope Benedict met with the bishops. The document is about three pages long, the accompanying letter about four ...

The publication of both documents will take place on July 7th. It emphasizes the unity of the Roman Rite which will consist of an ordinary and an extraordinary form which are supposed to inspire each other. ("Motu Proprio revealed to world's Bishops," Isabelle de Gaulmyn, La Croix, June 27, 2007)

Already on November 16, 1982, on request of Pope Wojtyla, a meeting presided by Ratzinger, then-Prefect of the former Holy Office, at which also took part Cardinals Baggio, Baum, Casaroli (then Secretary of State), Oddi, and Archbishop [future Cardinal] Casoria, had confirmed that "the Roman Missal in the form in which it remained in use up to 1969, independently of the 'Lefebvre question', should 'be admitted by the Holy See for all Masses celebrated in the Latin language". With two conditions [in the 1982 decision]: the use of the old liturgical books should presuppose the full reception of the norms issued after Vatican II and should not express the suspicion that the latter "were heretical or invalid"; [2] on the public Masses celebrated in Parish churches on Sundays and Feastdays, "the new liturgical calendar" should be observed.

All Cardinals unanimously answered in the "affirmative", that is, "yes", to the question of whether the Mass in the ancient rite were licit. Moreover, at that meeting, a document against liturgical abuses, identified among the reasons "for the current crisis of the Church", was also suggested, as well as, in a remote future, a synthesis "of both missals". That future is today less remote. The decision of Benedict XVI is thus not a step back, but a stage of the liturgical reform willed by the Council and not yet fully accomplished. ("Ratzinger's turning point on the liturgy - All clear for the Ancient Latin Mass," Andrea Tornielli, Il Giornale, June 17, 2007)

http://www.ilgiornale.it/a.pic1?ID=186326

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

Motu Proprio Held Up By Process Of Kosher Certification

Another extremely senior clerical source tells me that the motu proprio is still coming, but that, as other blogs have reported, it might in fact not be this month after all. It appears the Pope, concerned by the German protest and holding his compatriot bishops close tohis heart, wanted to see if the protest would take on a more international flavour. Of particular concern is the Good Friday prayer for the conversion of Jews. Cardinal Kasper, of course, President of the Council of Christians and Jews, will have objected strongly to this. This prayer, rightly, is expected to come out. In its place might go one of the many available traditional prayers emphasising the Catholic Church's 'unique' role in salvation.

Full article:

http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2007/05/latest_on_tride.html

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would warn those who have a strong attachment to the traditional liturgy and rubrics that it is the Gospel, not the liturgy, which is the primary target of the rabbis. This is not to say that the actual text of the Gospel could be altered as cavalierly as the liturgy has been, but the interpretation certainly can be, as it has already been.

If the Motu Proprio is promulgated, I expect there to be many traditional Latin Masses with the smell of incense strong in the air, flawlessly executed rubrics, perfectly authentic Roman vestments, beautifully performed hymns and chants, during which one will hear sermons of rabbi-approved theology. This is nothing to celebrate. It's diabolical, and I've seen examples of this taking place already. What's worse, I see very little from those who hear these camel-sized errors that would indicate any suspicion on their part.

The theology of a priest dressed as a clown will not be taken seriously by conservative minded people. Theology preached by a pious looking priest in traditional vestments, on the other hand, is more likely to be accepted at face value.

Keep your eyes on the Gospel. The Motu Proprio is likely a bone intended to create the impression of a step taken forward towards the restoration of orthodoxy. The ten steps backwards will come at the 2008 synod when Catholic scriptural exegesis will be subjected to the next stage of the kosher certification process.

"Jews" warn Pope over Latin Mass

EDITOR'S NOTE: The expected Motu Proprio pertaining to the traditional Latin Mass, if it ever comes, will be kosher. Solve et Coagula.

Jews warn Pope over Latin Mass

By Marc Shoffman - Tuesday 1st of May 2007

Jewish campaigners this week expressed concerns over relations with the Roman Catholic Church as they awaited a papal decree which could approve prayers calling on Jews to convert.

Conservative Catholics have urged Pope Benedict XVII to bring back the traditional Latin Mass, a Good Friday liturgy including prayers for Jews to follow Jesus Christ.

The controversial prayer, which was outlawed by the Vatican in the 1960s, reads: “Let us pray also for the Jews, that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ."

It was dropped as part of a move to improve relations between Catholics and Jews in 1965 but the Vatican is now considering reintroducing it to create greater unity within the Church and with conservative bishops.

The Latin Mass, however, could be reintroduced excluding the controversial segment.

Interfaith workers have contacted the Vatican raising concerns about the language in the prayer. The International Council for Christians and Jews wrote to the Vatican describing the paragraph as "profoundly demeaning."

A decision was expected on Monday but has now been delayed. [Papal Knight] Rabbi David Rosen president of the International Jewish Committee for Inter-religious Consultations said no news is good news.

He told TJ: “It is a reflection of the Pope’s desire to create greater unity in the church, the intention is not to set the clock back. We are alerting the Vatican that elements of the prayer provide implications for Catholic and Jewish relations.”

Edward Kessler, Executive Director of the University of Cambridge’s Centre for the Study of Jewish-Christian Relations recently raised concerns about faith relations after the Pope failed to question an Easter sermon by Vatican official Raniero Cantalamessa which focused on Jewish complicity in the death of Jesus.

Writing in Catholic newspaper, The Tablet, Kessler said: “It generated no contradictory response, even though it was published in the official Vatican press.”

He told TJ: “If the Latin Mass is reintroduced it will change relations between Christians and Jews.”

Sir Sigmund Sternberg, who has been named a papal knight by the Vatican, said he would raise the issue with the pontiff when he meets him next month, but he quashed concerns that the prayer would be introduced. He said: “I don’t think this will happen, our relationship with the Catholics is a good one.” [for who?]

The Vatican said it is still awaiting the Pope’s final decision.

Meanwhile, the Vatican has placed the issue of fighting anti-semitism high on its agenda for an international Roman Catholic conference next year. It includes a questionnaire for bishops to examine “attitudes of anti-semitism” in biblical passages in their church.


http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=6170